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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by darth » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:14 pm

I know of no proof that Al-Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded. The Despot ruler of Iraq ran a secular Gov. Not a theocracy gov as Al-Qaeda wants. So it stands to reason he would have strung them up. But our invasion was like a magnet to Al-Qaeda. As despot as he was, people of christan faith were free to worship . Try that today.

A dictionary definition of civil war is clear. And fits right in with this conflict.

The Korean war was between koreans. A civil war(still no peace treaty)
If we wanted to go after a despot, North Korea should have been
first on the list. But of course China sits next door, and that will not happen.
The Viet Nam war was between people of the same country. a civil war
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by statm1 » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:46 pm

I do believe there is a level that has to be reached before it can be classed as a "Civil War".. But thats just semantics.

I wasn't trying to imply that there were terrorists in Iraq before the invasion. Even though there were reports that Saddam MIGHT have been giving them haven inside the border.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by André » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:14 pm

Even if Saddam was giving them a haven, they weren't very large of an organization. When we stepped in to their mess, people began lining up at the door to get into the organization because they wanted us out. Just as on the US side, not many people are pro-this-war because Iraq posed and poses no threat to us. It's extremely difficult to get people to fight in a war that they don't support. The same thing would happen to Al-Qaeda. Sure, there are a few who would support a "war" against no one (read: not the US) but since there is now an oposing force that many people want out, they are joining the resistance.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by statm1 » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:53 am

Doc, Americans have been joining the military in droves ever sense 9/11. There apparently was a small dip in 2005/6, but then to go back up during the "surge".. They haven't once missed their recruiting goals. And name one war that the American families have supported from beginning to end? There has been one.

And as I keep explaining Iraq could become a threat. It doesn't matter whats not happening now.. What could happen... And in this situation, what could happen should be taken seriously.

Even if Iraq didn't pose a threat to us back then, it did invade Kuwait. So they did post a threat to one of our allies.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by André » Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:30 am

This is one topic we will most likely never agree on and that's perfectly within our current rights. We need to agree to disagree. Politics almost always bring out the worst in people.

This will be my last post in this topic.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by statm1 » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:02 am

Well hopefully you will reconsider posting again once the two conventions come around. Im sure there will be plenty to discuss..
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by addonsfan » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:49 am

DrDrrae wrote:This is one topic we will most likely never agree on and that's perfectly within our current rights. We need to agree to disagree. Politics almost always bring out the worst in people.

This will be my last post in this topic.
I'd have to agree with statm1, and say it's not bringing out the "worst" in him at all. :roll:

This, to me, is infact a war with purpose, and I really don't think we should give up on it. People die in war, that's normal, although we should be doing better. It's true that we can't abolish terrorism, but the world would be better off if we got as close to it as possible. Though, I can't really think of anything facy to say like the rest of everyone here, so I guess I'll just agree to disagree.... :roll:

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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by addonsfan » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:30 pm

Personally, I just don't trust Barrack Obama. I guess he's "Christian", but his churches website just screams racism. An all black church is more like a political church, and if you know anything about your Bible, you'll know that goes against the Bible to accept only one race into your community.

Please note the words "Black Power and Black Theology" in bold on this page. I guess it's a book they teach...

So am I wrong, or is this more like a political church?

Btw, I don't mean to offend anyone who might be black here...

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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by darth » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:57 pm

I now wonder if it was a good idea to start a thread on this subject of the Presidential Race. I now think this subject can strain the relations between people in this forum. If there was a thread on religion the same thing would most likely happen. This too is my last post on this topic.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by addonsfan » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:13 pm

I guess it depends on the person... Because even though I may not agree with DrDrrae of statm1 sometimes even MysteryFCM, I still have nothing against them. Everyone has their own views, and I think it is good to know where everyone is coming from.

If DrDrrae made some wise crack about addons, I wouldn't hate him for it... But if he continued to do it thoroughout the forum, I might start to get a bit irritated, I still wouldn't hate him. You shouldn't come into discussions like this, expecting to have everyone agree with you... :\

Though, I'll admit there's been some times where I'll have a little fun, and push some people's buttons... That still doesn't mean I hate them.

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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by statm1 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:48 pm

Well I knew there would be a point where we had discussed everything and some might get alittle irritated with each other. But like I said hopefully once the conventions come around there might be some new areas to discuss.. Because the campaign is more than just the war.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by Noyb » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:32 pm

Kinda old, but...
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by darth » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:27 am

Noyb, A true likeness. No name needs to be mention.
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by addonsfan » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:02 am

I am happy to say, I am now a registered voter. I will be voting for McCain this election. :)
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by André » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:20 am

I recently saw a bumper sticker on a car and sadly, it pretty much sums up my view point for this election. It said, "Either way, we're screwed."
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by addonsfan » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:27 am

that I agree with, but there's one I trust more than another.Obama is a liberal, and if most liberals had it their way, the US would be communist. atleast, that's what it seems like to me.

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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by statm1 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:04 am

Well, while I wouldn't go that far...lol I am alittle surprised McCain wanted to completely stop his campaign and not participate in the upcoming debate..
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by darth » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:08 pm

Are you better off today, than you were eight years ago? If so, vote Mcsame..err I meant McCain.

Social Security--passed by Democrats.
Medicare--passed by Democrats
Subsistence housing--passed by Democrats
Food Stamps program--passed by Democrats
>>Deregulation of Wall street--passed by Republications
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by statm1 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:38 pm

Hmm, I remember seeing that somewhere before.. Oh right its in a commercial the democrats came up with..lol
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Re: Official 2008 US Presidential Race discussion

Post by darth » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:21 pm

Facts are facts when they are in comgressional records As for deregulation of Wall Street, former republican senator Phil Graham, led the fight for deregulation, it is aknowledged by most people. In fact I'm not sure but it may have been called the Graham Bill, with probably a co-sponser(unknown. By the way Phil Graham was McCain's economical guru, until he said in the press, that "we were a national of whinners" Then McClain threw him to the back of the bus. Not under it. He'll remerge
if MCain is elected.

To the best of my knowledge, Democrats were in the majority, as regards my first post above with the exception of the deregulation entry.
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