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A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by Sergei » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:08 pm

We've discussed before whether Avant could adopt an Open Source layout engine instead of IE's Trident, if one day Orca and Avant would become a single dual-engine browser and so on. There's even been speculation about adopting KHTML/Webkit.

There's another option!

I didn't expect to come across another open source layout engine that was ready for primetime, but Tkhtmlis just that. It's lightweight and fast and it's excellently standards compliant. It even passes the Acid2 test. That puts it roughly on a par with Webkit (Safari) and Presto (Opera) - and ahead of Gecko!

There only seems to be one modern browser using it. It's called Hv3, and if you want to try it you can get it here. It's pretty simplistic compared to Avant of course, but it's got tabbing and a search bar.

Overall, pretty impressive.
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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by josephrot » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:57 pm

There's a lot of positives, and a few negatives, that can be said about OpenSource...

One example, we use OpenOrg 2.xx in place of MS Office 03 and 07 wherever possible, and it works simpler and just as well -- and even factoring in the quick learning and support costs, it's far less expense than MS Office 2003 or 2007.

If the Open Source browser engines can keep up with or eventually integrate all the features we are now Avant-spoiled with... it could be a very interesting latter 2007.

UPDATE: Hard to ignore the idea. The prospect of seeing Avant OS (for Open Source, of course) is growing... at least in the head.
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Post by Sergei » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:28 pm

Actually I can think of no feature of Avant that can't be reproduced in Firefox - albeit with sometimes considerable customization work.

However that's not my point. Rather, it's to raise the interesting possibility of allying the great interface features of Avant/Orca with this layout engine, which looks like it might be better than either IE or Gecko.
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Post by hornakapopolis » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:35 pm

I certainly wouldn't stop using Avant because of the attempt to do it. I don't know how hard it is to implement these things, but of all of the uniqueness available to browser features, this would be one that I'd certainly root for.

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by UFO UFO » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:15 pm

maybe KHTML is fast, but it doesn't support many encodings , especially not hebrew... :(

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by statm1 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:19 pm

Not to dig up an old topic but the thought of having webkit inside of Avant is interesting and even more plausable now that there is a port of Safari to Windows.

But, I think such a drastic change to the core of Avant might anger at least part of our userbase due to the fact that not everyone is anti-trident. Granted most of the market-share of Trident is due to the widespread use of Windows and not solely because of IE. But, I bet it is a safe bet that a good portion of that market-share stays with Trident because they want to and not just because they dont know any better. We would have to tread lightly if Anderson does ever try to change the rendering engine behind Avant to an open source alternative.

That would be no easy task though. That is not like just adding a new feature he might have to actually rewrite the entire browser to integrate with webkit or KHTML.

I personally think that is partly a good idea. If in the future Avant's engine does change I would think Anderson would have to still cater to the diehard Trident fans. That would mean coming up with someway of leaving the trident engine where it is and building the new engine right beside it and let the user switch between them. Now that brings up what it would be like if Avant & Orca combined into one. I dont think it would be very practical to have three engines in a browser. That might actually border on bloat and we dont want that.

I guess when the time comes he will have to choose either to keep Avant separate from Orca and go along on its own. Or, combine with Orca and become a cross-engine browser and succeed where Netscape 8 failed. (Just incase you didn't know. Netscape 8 had both Trident & Gecko with a way of setting in the favorites settings what engine you want which website to load with, it never caught on.) In my opinion that would be the best course of action as opposed to becoming a webkit browser.

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by ABman » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:50 pm

I'm one of those who is not anti-trident, better the devil you know etc..
One of the main reasons I stay with Avant is because it has the Use IE Favorites as Bookmarks option. When I try other browsers that use their own Bookmarks system they soon get out of sync with IE and this annoys me.
So whatever engine Avant uses I am happy so long as it has the option to use IE Favorites as Bookmarks.

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by UFO UFO » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:50 pm

most of those who are so anti-IE are probably those who use firefox. here's a website that speaks about myths about those two:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD ... Myths.html

personnally i don't like firefox much(because you have to install an addon for every tiny basic thing you want) ,but it does have a sync between the IE favorites and itself , using an addon for it :
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/668

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by statm1 » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:03 am

Well, yes im sure alot of people who dislike IE go to either Firefox or Opera or Sarfari.. But, Im sure a big percentage of Firefox's marketshare is from all the scare tactics that people use to frighten them into using Firefox.. If you know what you know what your doing then IE 7 is all you need in security.
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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by addonsfan » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:49 pm

http://www.linux.com/feature/118166
Has this been fixed yet? I'm sure it has... But just to be sure, has it?

One of the main reasons I use Avant Browser is because of it's Trident engine.

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by angeldust » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:30 pm

addonsfan wrote:http://www.linux.com/feature/118166
Has this been fixed yet? I'm sure it has... But just to be sure, has it?

One of the main reasons I use Avant Browser is because of it's Trident engine.
You should ask this over at Linux.com or FF's site as we here wouldn't really know & the FF users might be wondering the same.
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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by UFO UFO » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:12 pm

http://www.linux.com/feature/118166
Has this been fixed yet? I'm sure it has... But just to be sure, has it?
-i think that in the link you gave you can see a test page for it, so you could check if it is fixed or not.

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by addonsfan » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:49 pm

Nope not fixed yet. #-o
IE is still better. =D>

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by statm1 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:49 pm

What hasnt been fixed yet addonsfan?
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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by UFO UFO » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:35 am

addonsfan wrote about it just a few posts before:
http://www.linux.com/feature/118166
Has this been fixed yet? I'm sure it has... But just to be sure, has it?

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Re: A Great Open Source Layout Engine

Post by statm1 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:17 am

Ohhh.. :oops: Ok then.
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