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but going backward

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:02 pm
by becool
Hi,

We are still waiting the free move of buttons bar ( or at least down side ) just like previous versions of Avant,
I read the change log of new versions and nothing about that,
don't do like other browsers (maxthon and Opera) they loosed many of their users because they removed many of useful options and functions, just read their forums and you will understand,
they want to copy chrome browser but after all they copy only the faults,
You finally have a fast and optimized browser so why do you remove the advantages that makes Avant better, all you have to do is to keep functions we used to have, then you'll have the best browser,
So please don't brake at the Final Lap...

Re: but going backward

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:53 am
by mbrazil
I second your motion! :thumbup: =D> :clap:

Re: but going backward

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:34 pm
by MysteryFCM
I've moved this to a more appropriate forum, as the development sub-forums are meant for the Alpha/Beta versions

Re: but going backward

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:18 pm
by brawnymike
mbrazil wrote:I second your motion! :thumbup: =D> :clap:
And, of course, I third it ... not that it will do any good. :roll:

mbrazil, I think I'm at the point finally of giving up on Avant, so what--in your expert opinion--would be the best browser to switch to?

Bear in mind:

(1) I've grown fond of the add-ons associated with Firefox, so a flavor of Firefox might be ideal;
(2) I almost never have need for more than 9 tabs;
(3) I value virtually none of the so-called pluses of the 100 series builds of AB 2013 (other than loading/processing speed, I guess); and
(4) I have 100+ Autofills to copy over (since there seems to be no way to export them), so I'll also need a good FREE log-in screen filler recommendation.

:( :( :( :( :(

Re: but going backward

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:28 pm
by MysteryFCM
If you're used to Firefox, then Firefox + KeePass would be the obvious choice.

Re: but going backward

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:10 am
by mbrazil
brawnymike wrote:what--in your expert opinion--would be the best browser to switch to?
Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not an expert. That said, I've been playing with Lunascape again for the last week or so. I'd tried it a couple of times before, but I always came back to Avant (until build 100, that is). Like Avant, Lunascape is a multi-engine browser, and also like Avant used to be, it is quite configurable and customizable. Unfortunately, it's still not quite a match for what Avant used to be, but it's the closest thing I've found, and it puts the current Avant builds to shame in most ways. To my knowledge, and according to Wikipedia, Avant and Lunascape are the only two multi-engine browsers.
brawnymike wrote:Bear in mind:

(1) I've grown fond of the add-ons associated with Firefox, so a flavor of Firefox might be ideal;
Lunascape allows you to choose whether to install Gecko and/or WebKit during installation (Trident is always there). Even though I rarely use WebKit (Chrome), it's nice to have it available in case some website requires it or only works well with it. You can have Trident + Gecko, Trident + WebKit, or Trident + Gecko + WebKit -- your choice.
brawnymike wrote:(2) I almost never have need for more than 9 tabs;
(3) I value virtually none of the so-called pluses of the 100 series builds of AB 2013 (other than loading/processing speed, I guess); and
(4) I have 100+ Autofills to copy over (since there seems to be no way to export them), so I'll also need a good FREE log-in screen filler recommendation.
(2) Lunascape allows multiple rows in the Tabs Bar, just like Avant does and also has some of the settings Avant has relative to the tab width in the Tabs Bar. You can also choose to have the Tabs Bar in the toolbar area near the top or on the bottom with the Status Bar (the Status Bar and all the toolbars can be toggled off and on as needed).

(3) Lunascape seems fairly fast. I haven't made any measurements or comparisons, but it's faster than the pre-100 Avant builds. It also has a lot of skins available, so it can look and function a lot like the old Avant did. So far, they haven't succumbed to the pressure to be a Chrome clone like Avant and most of the other browsers have.

(4) I use RoboForm everywhere, but it's not free. I can't recommend any of the others from personal experience, but there are quite a few available, and you can turn up a lot of reviews and comparisons with a Google search.

If you'd prefer a Gecko-only browser, I'd go with Pale Moon, but it's not a close match for features and configurability.

Re: but going backward

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:39 am
by MysteryFCM
Got the URL for Lunascape? (intrigued as to how well it would handle the way I treat Avant (i.e. having it open 500+ tabs at once))

Re: but going backward

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:43 am
by mbrazil
MysteryFCM wrote:Got the URL for Lunascape? (intrigued as to how well it would handle the way I treat Avant (i.e. having it open 500+ tabs at once))
Here it is http://www.lunascape.tv/. I haven't tried it with a lot of open tabs yet, so it'll be interesting to see what you find out.

Re: but going backward

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:49 am
by MysteryFCM
Cheers :o)

Re: but going backward

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:02 pm
by mekd
I am so frustrated with Avant that I hardly use it anymore. It was my browser of choice for 10 years, but there have been some bad changes that I prefer to give up it's plus features for a more stable browser.

A few years ago Anderson said that the advantage of the multithreaded engine is that if one tab or thread freezes up, you can kill/close that tab and continue using Avant. But in my case, Avant completely freezes up so I cannot even find out which PID is the culprit.

I use now Firefox as my regular browser.

Its annoying that Anderson does not respond to users complaints or post any message regarding the future of Avant.

Re: but going backward

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:32 pm
by Crazy_John
mbrazil wrote:I've been playing with Lunascape again
I have it installed for around 1 year or so , just a information , it uses firefox 3.6.28 engine , not firefox 24.0 .

Sometimes i use it but i use more firefox 3.6.28 (just when i want\need load\use alot of tabs) , it uses a very small amount of memory compared to firefox 20's , chrome..

Re: but going backward

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:51 pm
by becool
Thanks for your support :wink:
I posted the message in the "avant browser development" topic, and they moved it here that's why the title begin with "but" It's the 2nd part of Avant well optimized...
The problem is that the topic is locked now , I don't know if only for me or not ?
Anyway I hope Avant Team will read it and consider it, since we are many users to think the same...

Re: but going backward

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:47 pm
by Tinman57
These lastest two updates are a joke, just like the last 8 or so updates. I'm so sick and tired of Avant stealing focus from other apps, and even stealing focus from itself.
After all these years of using and supporting Avant, I think it's time to head off to greener pastures. Apparently Anderson isn't taking this seriously and has been dangling Avant users by a thread of hope that he will bring back what Avant used to be. He's had more than enough time to fix the major problems like the focus stealing. I think his ignoring the issues is a kick in the teeth to all of the faithful Avant users and new users alike. [-X