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An exercise in logic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:13 pm
by mbrazil
In another thread, xiaobing told us, "Many bugs cannot be fixed" and that she doesn't do any programming.

Based on other statements previously made on these forums, on the Avantforce website, and at the Avant Browser Archive site, Anderson is the sole developer of Avant Browser.

Since nothing to the contrary is stated on these sites or elsewhere, it follows that Anderson designs the user interface and writes all the code for Avant.

Therefore, Anderson is telling us (via xiaobing) that he is incapable of fixing many of the bugs that have been reported here on the forums.

Creating and maintaining a software application consists primarily of writing various algorithms that are each intended to provide certain functions of the program, designing and implementing a user interface, assembling these software components to create the application, testing the application to identify bugs, and rewriting the defective code segments to eliminate the bugs.

Since Anderson has done some excellent work in the past creating various versions of Avant, and since he has previously been able to fix most of the bugs that were reported, we must assume that he is not incompetent and is therefore capable of fixing most, if not all, of the bugs currently existing in Avant Browser 2013 build 108. If this assumption of Anderson's competence is correct, it follows that many (if not all) of the bugs can be fixed, but that for reasons he is not willing to disclose, he does not want to fix the bugs and has no intention of doing so.

The following conclusions must therefore be drawn:

1. Anderson has changed his goals and intentions regarding Avant Browser.

2. He has no plans to restore many of the previously existing features and functions that he removed in the 100+ builds of Avant.

3. His top priority is the new UI.

4. The concerns and desires of his current users are of little importance to him.

5. The flexibility and special features that previous versions of Avant provided are things of the past.

6. Avant's previous technical excellence has been and will continue to be allowed to decline so that the new UI can be fully implemented.

7. The only thing that will differentiate Avant from most other browsers in the future is the inclusion of the three rendering engines.

8. Avant has entered its death spiral and will cease to exist before long.

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:34 pm
by mekd
This is really annoying.

My assumption is that the majority of Avant users, use the basic Explorer engine.
In this aspect Avant had some advantaged over IE. However, I really cannot see the need of an independant browser who uses the Mozilla engine, considering the capabilities of Firefox and the many add-ins.

Thus, in my opinion Anderson should focus on a simple one-engine browser and first address the problems and flaws of the current version.

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:40 pm
by Nederpietos
I hope Anderson realises one day he made a big mistake with the new UI and returns to Avant 2012 b197 or 2013 b 23 (old skins) and make that better. Fix the bugs there and we have a browser close to perfection.

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:45 pm
by mbrazil
mekd wrote:My assumption is that the majority of Avant users, use the basic Explorer engine. In this aspect Avant had some advantaged over IE. However, I really cannot see the need of an independant browser who uses the Mozilla engine, considering the capabilities of Firefox and the many add-ins. Thus, in my opinion Anderson should focus on a simple one-engine browser and first address the problems and flaws of the current version.
There's no way to know the percentage of Avant users that use the IE engine as their default engine, but judging by the number of questions on the forums that relate to using the Firefox and Chrome engines and the number of people asking these questions, I doubt very much that the majority uses only the IE engines.

My default engine is Firefox. I find that, between Avant's options (in the pre-100 builds of 2013) and the large selection of extensions available for the Firefox engine, I have a browser that satisfies almost everything I need and want in a browser (prior to build 100, anyway). Avant alone (with the IE engine) doesn't even come close to doing that, and neither does the full Firefox browser, despite the availability of so many extensions. It is also preferable to have certain features built into the browser, since extensions can use a lot of memory, and some of them create problems or reduce stability. It is also far from unusual to find websites that load properly in one of the engines, but not in one or both of the others. It is extremely useful to be able to reload a site using one of the other engines without having to use a different browser or reload all your open tabs in the current browser.

The three engines have been incorporated into Avant for quite awhile now (about a year and a half), and they all work relatively well. Avant Ultimate 2012 build 197 had all three engines, and it's one of the most stable builds of Avant in recent history. The availability of the three engines in Avant is not the cause the current situation. Almost all of the problems with the current builds of Avant came to be when the new UI was introduced in Avant 2013, and it got much, much worse starting with build 100. The new UI is the cause of the current mess, not the three rendering engines.

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:15 pm
by brawnymike
I've been away from this forum for a week (due to illness), and it's like returning to New Orleans 5 years after Hurricane Katrina: One is struck by how little has changed since the original devastation. Still no word from Anderson, still no improvements (or should I say "no return of lost functionality"), still the daily reality that nothing has nor ever will change. There is a smell of death about AB ...

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:33 pm
by mbrazil
Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well, brawnymike. :( I hope you are feeling much better now.

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:43 pm
by brawnymike
mbrazil wrote:Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well, brawnymike. :( I hope you are feeling much better now.
Oh, I'm pretty much fully recovered. It just pains me to see that AB is not, and--given all indications--will never be, fully recovered.

Methinks I've let my hesitation over embarking on the HUGE task of making a written copy of my 105 (or so) AB autofills (for transfer to another browser or form-filler app) keep me from seeing the obvious: Nothing has, is, or ever will improve here in AB land, so I might as well start the task now as later. F**k AB.

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:59 pm
by mbrazil
brawnymike wrote:Oh, I'm pretty much fully recovered. It just pains me to see that AB is not, and--given all indications--will never be, fully recovered.

Methinks I've let my hesitation over embarking on the HUGE task of making a written copy of my 105 (or so) AB autofills (for transfer to another browser or form-filler app) keep me from seeing the obvious: Nothing has, is, or ever will improve here in AB land, so I might as well start the task now as later. F**k AB.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been hanging in hoping that Anderson reads at least some of what's posted here, but my patience is starting to wear thin. I guess maybe I'm a little too much of an optimist, but after using and loving Avant for so long, I haven't yet reached the point where I'm willing to let go. I just wish Anderson would have a conversation with us. :cry: :evil:

Re: An exercise in logic

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:48 am
by AXEMAN
Me to brawnymike i have been ill a bit myself it almost seems worse doesent it :wtf: