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Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by CamelD » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:21 am

Microsoft seems to like their new ribbon interfaces for Win7/Vista. I was wondering if there has been any thought of creating one for Avant/Orca? The current interface works just fine, mind you. I am just curious.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by scubamaster » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:56 pm

That would be a very bad idea. The ribbon takes up way too much space for a browser. All modern browsers like Avant, Chrome and now IE9 are reducing the control and tab area to a minimum as it should be.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by Jasmine » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:03 am

Hehe, each holds his own preference~ The author hasn't decided the interface yet. You can discucss and may give him some fresh ideas.
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by ABman » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:35 am

scubamaster wrote:That would be a very bad idea. The ribbon takes up way too much space for a browser. All modern browsers like Avant, Chrome and now IE9 are reducing the control and tab area to a minimum as it should be.
Agree.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by ElimGarak » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:12 am

I think it's just me who doesn't like minimal interfaces, then...
I prefer having all my options, commands and buttons just one click away. That's why I just can't use Chrome... So I'd like for Avant to stick to its usual layout.
Maybe I'm just getting old.
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by scubamaster » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:38 pm

ElimGarak wrote: I prefer having all my options, commands and buttons just one click away. That's why I just can't use Chrome... So I'd like for Avant to stick to its usual layout.
I agree with that statement. When I said I don't want Avant to go for a ribbon, I meant for Avant to keep the flexibility that it has. The flexibility of the menu and button arrangement (and skins) is one of the main advantages of Avant over other browsers. It allows me to have all the buttons and menus that I need concentrated in a very small space. That's why as soon as Avant is working with IE9 I will be back with Avant.

Avant also allows anybody to stack their buttons and toolbars 5 or 10 deep :roll: . However if Avant would incorporate the ribbon, the afore mentioned flexibility would be gone, because the ribbon as anyone knows from using Office or Live Essentials has a defined height which is the height of about 3 toolbars.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by Jasmine » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:14 pm

scubamaster wrote: That's why as soon as Avant is working with IE9 I will be back with Avant.
Anderson said he'll make Avant run with IE9 in a week~ :wink:
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by CamelD » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:44 am

scubamaster wrote:That would be a very bad idea. The ribbon takes up way too much space for a browser. All modern browsers like Avant, Chrome and now IE9 are reducing the control and tab area to a minimum as it should be.
The minimal space of the menu and tab areas is why I don't use Chrome, IE8/9, etc.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by moktoman » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:17 am

CamelD wrote:
scubamaster wrote:That would be a very bad idea. The ribbon takes up way too much space for a browser. All modern browsers like Avant, Chrome and now IE9 are reducing the control and tab area to a minimum as it should be.
The minimal space of the menu and tab areas is why I don't use Chrome, IE8/9, etc.
I'll agree that its a matter of personal preference. But for some it is also a matter of screen real estate as well. If you're using something like a 24 inch monitor or multiple monitors, screen real estate isn't much of an issue, but if you're using a 13, 15, or even 17 inch laptop screen, screen real estate is much more important.

I am a huge fan of Google Chrome's interface because of the fact that it has lots of options but keeps most of them organized neatly in sub-menu instead of plastering buttons all over the screen (IE9 uses a similar approach). Since I use a laptop primarily now (with 15 inch screen) screen real estate is important to me. Too many buttons means less space for the actual content of the websites I'm visiting.

And it kind of defeats the point of browsing the web if you can't see what your're browsing. ;)

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by statm1 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:24 am

scubamaster:
Just to let you know, both Office and Live Essentials both have an option to minimize the ribbon and then it has the same height of Avant, Chrome, IE9,etc..
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by flowrush » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:41 am

Personally I think minimal is fine as long as it's configurable. Opera get's it right with the big O on the left side acting as a menu button but also staying on the same line as tabs so as not to take up extra space. And you can add or remove any buttons you desire at will. I don't see the point of a ribbon system as it's just a browser and there aren't THAT many functions requiring a lot of extra space. If you had multiple toolbars, then maybe a ribbon system would work, but I think it's more than necessary to have a useful and elegant browser. I think Avant should focus on improving the gui functionality first before adding a new kind of gui altogether. For example a button that did paste+go would be easier than needing to click on a drop-down menu and navigate to that selection every time. The search in toolbar function like Chrome has. A button to recover last closed page, etc.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by Jasmine » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:03 am

flowrush wrote:A button to recover last closed page, etc.
Ctrl+Shift + Z can do the work.
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by Jasmine » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:24 am

flowrush wrote:The search in toolbar function like Chrome has.
What does this refer to?
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by moktoman » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:11 am

Jasmine wrote:
flowrush wrote:The search in toolbar function like Chrome has.
What does this refer to?
I think he's talking about the fact that you can type a URL or search query into Google Chrome's address bar (which they call the "omnibox") instead of having use a separate box for searches like many browsers currently do (Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari).
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by flowrush » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:46 pm

^ Yes that's what I'm referring to.

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Post by moktoman » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:49 pm

Also, IE9 Beta has a sort of "omnibox" as well.
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by fakenjones » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:50 pm

I would like to submit a vote against the Ribbon interface.
Please do not go that route. Or atleast make it completely completely optional.
I know atleast 25-30 people in my schoolspace alone that have avoided new Office products due to this interface.
Small sample, I know. Backwards thinking, maybe. But I think an opt-out should be present should Avant go Ribbon.

On the Aero integration:
This is a major plus at the moment for Chrome. But if it will highly compromise browser speed or features, I am fine without it. If it can be done with minimal damage, it would probably be the next great step for Avant.

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by statm1 » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:51 pm

Avant will not implement a Ribbon interface.
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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by fakenjones » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:54 am

statm1 wrote:Avant will not implement a Ribbon interface.
Nice. What of the Aero integration? Seems like the way to go no?

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Re: Any plans fore a ribbon interface?

Post by fakenjones » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:08 am

Actually, nvm, its not that important

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