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Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by flowrush » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:27 am

So it's clear this has been in development and tentatively was said to be out possibly by late May. Is there any new information from Anderson how it's coming along and should be hope for anything before the end of summer?

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by bigC » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:38 pm

I haven't heard anything. Soon I hope...

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:39 pm

Well, whenever it comes out, it's going to have quite the challenge!
Google Chrome3, Opera 10, Safari4... these three have all the speed right now.

One thing i like most about Opera is the fact that you can search text from the webpages you visited right in the url box. Now that's cool! :clap:
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by AXEMAN » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:58 pm

So you would recomend Opera :)

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:56 pm

At the present time, yes.

The quick history search features straight from the url box + the one right next to it in the search box (along with a simple user made bookmark link to perform history search) make Opera quite attractive and unsurpassed at the present time (even by Firefox with its' extensions and ahsomebar).

I won't go into other Opera or Google Chrome or Safari features but just this one in Opera 10 i find sufficient to say that the challenge at hand for AVANT12 is mighty huge.
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by bksening » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:02 pm

Except that Opera 10 (even final) won't have all the speed. Opera 10 Beta's Presto 2.2 Javascript engine is at least 3 times or more slower than Chrome 2.x/3.x and Safari 4.

I'm very looking forward for Opera's upcoming Carakan Javascript engine to close the gap!

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:06 pm

Nice to know!

But, in the mean time, on my ol' XP with a network connection on 512DSL (phone line) Opera 10 seems to be speedier than Chrome3. Be it startup or page rendering.
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:13 pm

Hey! I might have exaggerated a bit on that speed issue, but it's really a close race!

Besides, Opera is still ahead of Chrome when you consider Widgets, Mail client and url filter...
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by André » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:43 pm

Well Google Chrome is designed to be super light weight with minimal features.
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by bksening » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:43 pm

Chrome's Extensions system will be finished soon and there are already many people with extensions in development for Chrome.

And no, I definitely do not count a Mail Client inside the browser as anything good. That is definitely a function that has _no_ place in a _browser_ and it has always been incongruent in Opera. That's the kind of bloat many other posters here want to avoid.

And a genuine question: what do the URL filters do in Opera? This I don't know.

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:01 am

URL filter for Opera? Ahhh!
If you Google it, you'll find it.
It's a way of blocking ads without an "extension."

Just came upon this...
http://www.opera.com/freedom/
Mysterious stuff!

Chrome without extensions, without mouse gestures and ad blocking.
That's why it will never be my default.
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by addonsfan » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:19 am

bksening wrote:And no, I definitely do not count a Mail Client inside the browser as anything good. That is definitely a function that has _no_ place in a _browser_ and it has always been incongruent in Opera. That's the kind of bloat many other posters here want to avoid.
Actually, I'm not sure I agree with this. I can see how an email client inside the browser could be very useful, or rather convenient. But then again, yes, it most definately would add some milliseconds to the start up time of the browser.

I don't see how it could be too much bloat, to implement it as an HTML/script page. Most clients already have HTML parsing support. I think it would make Avant seem more complete, if items listed in Tools > Mail didn't open an external program. It would also open possibilities for a convenient "auto-complete email/email confirm" feature. It's also possible now, but it seems like it would be more convenient not to have to enter the email address anywhere, but inside the email client.

The borwser could detect that you are expecting an email, or you could tell the browser you are expecting an email. Email confirmations when registering to sites would become a snap.

Of course, I'm not sure that Opera has these functionalities. I tend to wonder off from the true conversation, keeping one topic in mind.

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by statm1 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:18 pm

Well my opinion on including a mail client in Avant is that I would disagree with including one. For one it would open it up to a lot of risk considering what can be delivered through a email client(trojans, viruses, etc). Thats why I have never used a email client. Temporary Internet Files is pretty secure in that nothing(to my knowledge) can be run from that folder and that is the only place that a email website would put any of the attachments. Especially how locked down IE8 is.

Anyway I dont know about any of you but I have joined the Opera boycott.. If you bing or google "Opera Boycott" you will see plenty about it..
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by André » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:26 am

YAY Opera... Boo IE.... wait.... IE based browser forum.... I mean.... YAY IE... Boo Opera...
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:56 am

Oh DrDrrae!

I'm sure that Microsoft will find a way to fend for itself.

What i'd like to know is what new features AVANT12 will present us?
Will it be a new engine like Opera, Maxthon3 or Safari?
At one point of the game, speed will be a non-issue.

Innovation is what we need to hear!
Opera has and is continuing to show its' innovative spirit.
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by bksening » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:41 pm

From many previous threads, Avant 12 looks like it will have the same basic reliance on the existing IE that is installed on the user's computer, so that only means Microsoft's latest Trident rendering and JScript/Javascript.

Also, you cannot lump Maxthon together with Opera and Safari. Opera and Safari both have independent and separate renderers and Javascript engines. Safari and Google Chrome are currently the fastest, and I expect Opera to catch up when they release Carakan Javascript (as I already mentioned). Actually, Maxthon must be lumped together with Avant as they are both IE-shell browsers that rely on the installed IE version.

DaComboMan, when you say speed will not be an issue at some point, I assume you mean Safari and eventually Opera. Otherwise, it is well known that speed is totally an issue with all IE based browsers and Microsoft, while greatly improving IE8, certainly isn't doing alot to improve JScript engine's speed.

And while innovation is great, speed is also critical because there are more and more websites making good use of Web 2.0/AJAX development. So a fast Javascript engine is crucial because Javascript processing is what makes Web 2.0/AJAX work.

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:13 pm

bksening,

Yes, speed is important i can't deny it but... my non-geek intuition tells me that someday, technology is going to give a sudden push much like CD's were to vinyl lp's. Nowadays, you can't almost tell the difference between a live session and a good recorded version. Some nano tech guy is going to come up with a solution that will make the whole web a superhighway (compared to present). Dreaming? Perhaps. But who could have imagined the CD's at a time when all we knew were dusty and scratched lp's?

Maxthon3, currently under alpha testing, supports Trident and the Webkit engine. Does that classify it as purely IE based?
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by bksening » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:46 pm

DaComboMan wrote:Maxthon3, currently under alpha testing, supports Trident and the Webkit engine. Does that classify it as purely IE based?
Really? I'm going to go test that out!

That would make Maxthon3 another multi-rendering-engine browser. Two more that I know of are:
Sleipnir ( Trident/Gecko, http://www.fenrir-inc.com/other/sleipnir )
Lunascape ( Trident/Gecko/WebKit, http://www.lunascape.tv )

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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by DaComboMan » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:14 pm

Maxthon3? Yep, i saw latest version on Betanews these days.
First time i tried it, there wasn't much to it.
A bit like Chrome, it was just the basics.

That's why i hope AVANT12 will be a little more innovative.
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Re: Avant 12.0 eta?

Post by statm1 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:09 am

The only reason Maxthon 3 is the way it is now is because they started from scratch and haven't added everything back to it yet.

But anyway, bksening.. Avant is going to stay a one engine browser at least for Avant 12.
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